Tom,
I have always used the double surgeon’s knot. Some use triple, but I have never found it necessary. The knot is much simpler to tie than a blood knot and faster, I think. I have never put much stock in knot strength rating as it applies to fishing. I know there are many opinions on this subject, but this is mine. There is no real way to compile meaningful data on the subject since the tests are performed on machines and not in real fishing situations. I think anglers may put this subject under the microscope too often. Knots are fun to learn, tie and are important links in our tackle system. I do use different knots for different situations. Blaming knots for bad outcomes, though, seems just to add another variable to shake our confidence in a sport where we already question every decision we make. Remember we tie the knots and sometimes poorly. I don’t know any experienced angler who is upset when the small one gets away on a break off. Only when the big one gets away do we question everything from the hook to the holder of the rod. It is hard to get over when a pea brained fish out smarts us and then kicks our butt, but it happens. Those fish, most of all, are the ones we desire to hold for just a moment. To admire their incredible beauty and will, before kissing them on the lips and sliding them back into the water; that allows us both to experience the luxury of life.
I do think there can be a problem with old tippet and or bad batches of tippet. These problems I know for a fact do happen. I date all of my tippet.
Try the Surgeon’s knot, I think you will like it, and don’t be too hard on yourself.
Andy
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackHi Andy & Tom. I use the double surgeon knot also. I’ve had knots on the hook break and had the tippet break in the middle, but never the surgeon knot. I agree with Andy, give the double surgeon knot a try and I think you’ll be quite happy.
Tight lines from Northern California.
Mark
I like the double surgeons knot as well for joining leader to tippet. Be aware that no knot will hold if there is too much of a size difference between the end of the leader and the tippet.
I echo what Paul said. Lost a nice northern on light tackle this weekend because the leader/tippet diameters weren’t even close. Serves me right for not stopping at the fly shop prior to getting on the water.
Andy, i completely agree with you! dble surgeons knot has been my choice of knot for leader to tippet. Its the perfect knot in my mind. For instance if i tie on my tippet and planning on nymphing for the day, i leave the tag end of the tapered leader yet trim down the tippet. Doing this gives me the option to throw a split shot or 2 or 3, w/e, but tie a over hand knot on that tag end so you dont loose weights from casting. This allows me to get deep, yet if i get caught up on a log, or rocks, anything i dont loose my weights along with the fly. Well then if a hatch starts up and fish are rising, just a few snips, and a dry can be tied on! Dble Surgeons knot is that way to do it in my option. Yet using the “tie fast” tool for there dble knot, its wicked strong, i use that only for bite wire from leader, for pike and muskies. Also to keep in mind the importance of wetting the line b4 clinching them. I have had them come apart while trying the clinche them together because of not wetting.
erik
Paul, im not sure if i agree completely with using a big size difference on lines to connect. Personally i found the even having 3.5ft of leader (basically not tapper) attaching a = or lesser lb test tippet and its never broke or slipped. Then followed with another section of lighter tippet to the fly. Not to say your wrong and its a great thing to be aware of, i am just saying from what i have found.
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